New Italian rims on the way

I’m swapping wheels around between projects and am using one set of hubs into some nice new Italian shouldered rims.
So take the wheels out and dismantle.

Looks like someone has already been here to put on a new rear brake disc. Although the chrome finish (never a good idea methinks but they liked the rubbish chrome look on the Jubilee models) has been rubbing off.

There’s also a new rear sprocket. But those through studs are wrong. This smells of a dealers/garage job to me. They should be bolts with locknuts not threaded at each end with plain nuts and locktight.

Undo the speedo drive (left hand thread) with my trusty Harley clutch tool. Everything has been renewed in the back wheel and looks good.

I’ll obviously renew all the bearings as they are cheap and easy to do. They normally fall out but not in this case. A bearing sliding hammer puller makes another brief appearance and makes an awkward job as easy as an easy thing. Cheap as chips to buy and well worth it.

A bit of confusion taking the front wheel apart. Everything had been renewed but the right hand bearing was rusty. All I can think is that the bike was kept on the side stand and the rain entered only on the upside. Still, new bearings anyway.

Tyres etc off. Blimmin sweaty work, especially with a rim lock.
Will cut the spokes and bin the rims. The hubs are the painted version but think I’ll polish to match the rims then lace the wheels.
Over… :slightly_smiling_face:

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Carrying on

Instead of just cutting the spokes I had some idea to maybe reuse them so unscrewed each nipple and took them all apart.
Note how I’ve kept the spokes labelled so I know where they came from off the hub. Rear rims on T140s are offset (that is, the centreline of the hub is offset from the centreline of the rim). This is to keep the swingarm narrow so there’s no need for a spacer for the rear sprocket and allows the chain to run straight without eating the tyre while keeping enough space for a disc on the other side. (Think I’ve covered myself there :thinking: )
As the rims are offset the spokes have to different lengths. The spokes will also have slightly different angled bends to allow them to connect to the rim:

That’s cleared up why the spokes are sorted, it helps when rebuilding. They can be sorted fairly easily if required - new ones come mostly all jumbled up in a single bag. And there’s not really much of a difference in length or angle in new ones - they are easily cut and bent to suit if needed. So don’t get too worried about all the part numbers etc if ordering new ones. Just order T140 front or rear spoke sets.
Moving onto the front:

This rim looks pretty good but there are those dimples in the chrome showing that it will be lifting soon. There’s nothing you can really do with chrome rims, they stash water away that no amount of cleaning will prevent the eventual lifting. Clean too much and the thin layer of chrome will rub off to expose the copper below. I’m afraid the spokes are the same, these however are zinc coated and should clean up if not too rusty (normally on the bends where they sit all wet in the hubs).
I now only ever buy polished alluminium or stainless rims.

I only very rarely find wheels, IMO, built correctly these days. This is one of the rare ones built by someone who knows what he/she is doing. Note that the outer spokes, on both sides of the wheel run in the same direction. Nearly every wheel I’ve seen have the outside spokes running in opposite directions, which IMO is incorrect.
Here’s one of my front wheel builds:

As we all know the tread on the front tyre ‘points’ backwards. This is because it’s needed that way when applying the brakes, it’s the direction of greatest load. Which is why front spoked wheels have the outside spokes also ‘pointing’ backwards.
I get that lacing wheels is a bit of a mind fuck but if time is taken and enough thought is given (really difficult in my case, it takes me ages to work myself through it) it can be done correctly. I’ve no doubt that it probably makes no difference at all to the loading but it’s the correct way in my mind.
Similarly the back tyre will have it’s treads ‘pointing’ forwards. Which is how the outer spokes should be built. This is really important due to the absolutely massive power output from the mighty T140 (almost as much horsepower as your iphone :slightly_smiling_face: )

Spokes come in different thicknesses - thinner 10g and thicker 9g. The spindly 1.85 rims on the front had the 10g which will not be much good in the sexy Italian rims on their way so it’ll need to be new spokes all round then.
Onto the now released hubs:

These are off of a 1978 bike. As everyone was trying to save costs in those days due to the shrinking Empire the hubs are painted with a silver hammerite paint. Obviously now lifting with some corrosion to the alluminium underneath.
So, paint has to come off and alluminium polished a bit. This takes flippin’ ages and is a right git to do. There’ll be sore fingertips for the next few days.

I’ve done half of the front hub and almost half of the rear today. Notice how the hub halves look the same but the rear has an extra centre piece to get more width - be careful if ordering hub parts, they are not all the same.
I’ll save the next fun filled sanding polishing day for tomorrow. Such fun…over :slightly_smiling_face:

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Sore fingers here we are

MIght as well build the back wheel as I have a rear rim and some rear spokes. I only order one rim at a time so I don’t incur the import duties so still awaiting the front.

As above, the spokes just arrive with no labelling. Sorting through them I have 9 long ones and 31 shorter. They all seem to have the same bend angle at the hub end. But hey ho, that’s what it’s like these days.
Having built wheels previously I find the spokes are mostly too long and need to be cut back so they don’t puncture the rim tape or the inner tube so I expect these will be the same and it’s fairly easy to change the bends as required.

Some rims have a direction indicated as tyres so easy to lay them out correctly when building. If the spoke holes are inspected it’s fairly easy to figure out which way round is required as the spoke holes sort of ‘point’ in the direction of the spokes.
On a mid 70s T140 the speedo drive is on the right side. The drive screws into the hub with a left hand thread so it’s easy to figure out which way round it’s required to go.

The inner spokes (the ones that come out of the hub from the inside of the spool) are assembled first. The inner spokes will not fit into the wheel if the outer spokes are fitted first.
As mentioned above, on the rear wheel the inner spokes must be facing away from the direction of travel, that is away from the tread pattern as the outer spokes need to fit in that direction. Easy innit, clear as mud.

Then the outer spokes fitted in the direction of the rear tyre’s tread pattern. Wheel lacing all done. Now just a case of tightening the nipples while aligning everything and getting the offset so the chain runs clear of the tyre.
Now to order some front spokes…over :slightly_smiling_face:

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I’m in awe to your talent @Iron :slightly_smiling_face:

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Thanks @Wessa although not so much talent I think, it’s just persistence and not entertaining the thought of paying some one else to do it. :grinning_face: and I’d only be bored watching the tele.

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I tend to agree… :rofl::see_no_evil_monkey:

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The usual rear T140 WM3 (2.15 inch) rim replaced with a WM5 (3.0 inch). This involves a readjustment of the offset on the disc side from 10mm to -1mm hub to rim. This is about the widest achieveable without having to offset the engine or change the swingarm or both.

Rear wheel ready for rim tape, inner tube and tyre. Front rim WM4 (2.5 inch) awaiting spokes. I use the heavier 9g rather than the usual 10g. The nipples are 0.300 diameter on the heavier 9g to suit the drills in the rim.
There’s room for a 120 tyre with the standard rear master cylinder slung under the swingarm. A 130 will fit if the master cylinder is moved.

While awaiting the spokes I’ve started on the next build project by getting some primer, base coat, pinstripes etc. onto the tank. Clear coat to do, but that’ll be done while I finish off the other jobs.

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You busy bee you!!!

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This will be the last one though methinks :slightly_smiling_face:

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Would be a shame, good wheels are a work of art!

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Yes, I like a nice pair.
Devon Rims supplied the thicker spokes for the front

Notice how they’ve labelled ‘inner’ and ‘outer’ just to make life that bit easier. Their in house made spokes are bent properly to suit and aren’t too long so grinding them down after building the wheel isn’t an issue.

I’ve had both rims and spokes off of these guys for previous builds and it’s always been delivered within a week, made in England and super quality.

Front wheel done, outer spokes pointing backwards as per tyre tread. Will zoom off to see my mate Baz to sort tape, tubes and tyres.

Really nice coffee shop next door if that’s your thing. I just stand around with Baz talking Triumph and Harley (cause that’s what’s we’ve both got and his brain is well worth picking).

Oh, and the tank is all polished as well. Blimey…over :slightly_smiling_face:

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