Ouch…
Tesla slashes the price of its electric cars by up to £9,100
Their shares fell off a cliff a few weeks ago.
And the 2nd hand values have also been slaughtered due to the reduced new car price…
I read an article whereby motor traders are reluctant to take cars that are over 5 years old as the battery life is diminishing. Most people who can afford them new will only have them for a maximum of 2-3 year’s so aren’t bothered by this slow reduction is usability/ value. But the residual values at 5 years old will be very low…
Not for me………
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That’s why you should never buy a new or nearly new electric car. Lease it. Then you just return it to the dealer at the end of the term. Who wants to be stuck with a car that’s going to need a new battery in a few years costings £1000’s ? Or a car with deteriorating battery capacity/performance.
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Why do some ICE drivers feel the need to decry EVs in an attempt to justify why they don’t own one? Has Greta got under their skin? or are they just luddites? I’d say some are even “evangelical” in their negativity. ICE drivers are usually making a reasonable correct decision when choosing not to own an EV and should not feel the need to justify their decision, the same goes for EV drivers. In this country EV ownership can be a good choice if it suits your circumstances (a complete no-brainier for me). As an EV owner I am getting eye strain rolling my eyes listening to all the negative crap. Personally I never tell ICE owners that they should own an EV, I think they are a mixed bag. So why do they ask me what I think of my EV then go on to tell me I’m wrong, spouting Ill informed shite? For instance they never take into account that I charge at home. On a long journey an EV can be a complete nightmare but 99% of my journeys don’t involve a public charger. It takes about two minutes to fill a petrol tank not to mention the time it takes to get to the filling station and it takes about 10 seconds for me to plug and unplug my EV and let it fully charge overnight, so most of the time ICE drivers are spending at least 12 times as long as me refuelling. So personally an EV works for me, it might not for you.
It seems to me Norway are doing better.
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And that is why you won’t find a single comment on this thread (until now) from me. Completely pointless discussion. Might as well have a Brexit debate. 
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I do wonder what the residual value of an older EV would be given the huge cost of replacing a battery.
I’ve not decried EV’s , ive just said i don’t want one, I’m sure they have their place, if you like it great-knock yourself out- I would never buy or lease a brand new car of any type. All the cars i had until retirement were company cars. I buy used cars because why pay all that money for the car to be worth half or less in four years? Let someone else take the depreciation hit. I buy cars and run them until they become economically unfixable. I don’t know how to fix an electric car so I definitely wouldn’t buy one.
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There’s nothing wrong with the debate but these things do crop up repeatedly and go around in circles for the most part.
Ignoring the derision that creeps in at times, it’s a simple fact that the use case makes sense for some people to go electric and not others. Ubiquitous rollout is an infrastructural challenge that probably requires a multi-fuel approach, and If people are still troubled about decisions being made they should be writing to their elected representative. Take back control, as they say.
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It certainly comes across on here and other forums that it’s the battery car fans that are trying to get normal car owners to buy battery cars. When the normal car owners point out the reasons they don’t want to spend the ridiculous amount of money battery cars cost that’s when the battery car drivers start decrying normal cars. Trying to convince us that battery cars are better.
Normal car owners don’t try to convince battery car owners to buy a normal car so why do battery car owners try to convince us normal car owners?
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Off topic entirely, nice to see you back, @Rooster. 
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There are too many elements to the discussion to make it realistically simple… but I’ll try… it’s all comes down to belief!
Do you believe combustible fuel harms the environment?
Do you believe combustible fuels are going to be in short supply?
Do you believe the green lobby?
Do you believe the government are acting in our best (and democratically decided) interest?
Do you believe you can alter the path laid out before your wheels?
Do you believe your belief outweighs anyone else’s?
Does your belief actually change your actions?
I believe it’s a no win argument, it’s too complex… just do what feels right for you. For me, it involves ice because it’s what I like (and crucially, what I can afford).
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Have to disagree. This is a mandate to ignore evidence on complex but important issues.
EVs. The answer to a question that no one should have asked…
Just like Brexit…
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How so? If the evidence is compelling, you will believe it? If the way something is presented feels believable, you will automatically feel an intrinsic pull in that direction. A scientist will believe in their evidence, a preacher will believe in their faith… but it’s your belief at the end of the day.
It’s the foisting upon us that I don’t like. Ready or not (afford it or not) here it comes …
The very notion of ICE is being villified (not on here, I mean in general); cost of fuel etc, VED… I am being made to feel guilty for my choices - when those choices are restricted.
That’s what i feel is unsavoury.
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A scientist doesn’t believe in their results or observations. They’re just evidence that a hypothesis is correct. There’s no faith involved.
Communicating that to the wider population, strained through the filters of commercial and political interest, is where your ‘belief’ comes in, I accept that:
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That’s what democracy is supposed to be for, and why corporate lobbyists, mysteriously funded ‘think tanks’ and wealthy donors should be tightly controlled or banned.
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There have been more than enough cases of scientists slanting the Data to fit their preconceptions to make the public reasonably sceptical. Wearing a lab coat doesn’t make one any more honest or infallible. Global warming is a fact, man, is a factor no doubt, I’m not in climate change denial but the climate has been changing since forever and certainly before us. When Ev vehicles are pushed as the only “real” alternatives to the point where we’re legally disqualified from being allowed to buy new fossil fuel driven vehicles when they don’t provide a complete answer it feels like forcing your arm up up your back.
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They don’t believe “in” them, but they do believe them… if they state a theory is proved or disproved … it’s their belief that their results prove their theory and that theory can be trusted or not.
And yet science “trumps” science all the time… It was science that developed cfc’s and we believed they were a good thing because you can reliably keep food cold and pack food into clean packaging, then science said “… actually guys, that stuff is bad because it destroys the ozone and doesn’t bugger off!”
I’m a big believer in science… but I know it’s flawed ‘cos it’s never “finished”
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